Curse

chuck7477 · Aug 12, 2005, 12:56 PM // 12:56

one word is the solution to this all -

ROLLBACK

anet seriously should just roll it back before this update and make the set prices start at something more reasonable than goddamn 200g for thousands of ecto

Maagus · Aug 12, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Ok, your objective is to get the superior vigor (I haven´t one neither and I need it so I can use better combination of upgrades) and FoW armor. So if you get that in a few mins, wouldn´t the game get boring for you ?
Seems that I am alone with my opinion that you don´t need FoW armor and superior vigor to be competitive = no imbalance to the game between wealthy and poor people. I am not any hardcore player, I have about 350 hours since the release.
Also how someone has already posted, economy now needs time to stabilize itself after this shock.

HowardJones · Aug 12, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

yeah it really sucks sort of. Especially now when people are spamming stupid runes for slae like in the old days b4 trader!!

TideSwayer · Aug 12, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by chuck7477

one word is the solution to this all -

ROLLBACK

anet seriously should just roll it back before this update and make the set prices start at something more reasonable than goddamn 200g for thousands of ecto

A rollback is not the answer. I capped like 8 elite skills yesterday, and I sure as hell don't want to have to go through Abbadon's Mouth 5x again just to get the damn Monk spider boss to show up.

ZenPali · Aug 12, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

I love all the complaining about the price update. Do you complain this much in the real world about the Military-Industrial elite raping you via taxes so they can buy ice statues pissing $100/bottle Vodka into a bowl at lavish parties on an exclusive island?

All while you sit in your dinky quaint houses, just trying to keep your electricity from being turned off.....

raven214 · Aug 12, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

I bet ANet never expected the complete Rune Trader buyout of the Superiors. Not just Monks, Vigors, and Absorbs either. As of a few hours ago (when I was last online) every damn class was sold out! Not only did this happen, it happened in hours after the fix. Unbelievable. We went from a broken economy to a fixed economy to a whole new economy (sold-out Rune Traders are now obsolete because you can't just go to them for stuff anymore) in the span of a day. And alllllllllllllllllllllllllll because they had to reset the prices.

I just checked, and Superior Vigors and Absorbs are there -- at least for now. They cost an arm and a leg, but as I've been playing this game for 3 months and I've never bought even one, I don't know what the cost was before the reset.

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Originally Posted by Angelina

we are "moaning" about the major turnover of this game.
type /age, look at your stuff, then immagine that players got 100 times what you have in 5 minutes.

I understand people's frustration with this, but, speaking as one of the poor... I was online yesterday during the update, and I'm still poor... and I don't really have a problem with that since (most) things are finally affordable again. Yesterday I spent my 10k (all I had in storage) on some dyes I wanted and some runes I needed. I find it more enjoyable to play this game rather than play the market. Then again, listening to how much some people made in a few hours does tempt me to rethink that statement.

The bottom line is this is a game. Right now I have 3k in storage. If I did have 3 million, what would I do with it? I suppose I'd buy some 15k sets (not interested in fow armor), and then pretty much be done with the game (already beat it with my main, have another in the Ring of Fire but haven't bothered to beat it with him).

All in all, I'm happy that ANet tried to do something about the screwy economy. Their implementation may not have been the most well thought-out, but I'm happy they're trying.

TideSwayer · Aug 12, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by raven214

All in all, I'm happy that ANet tried to do something about the screwy economy. Their implementation may not have been the most well thought-out, but I'm happy they're trying.

Agreed 100%.

chuck7477 · Aug 12, 2005, 01:21 PM // 13:21

One other thing... some people talk about buying all these ecto eliminating a lot of gold in the economy? Well lets see... if 2k ecto were bought at 200 each, thats 400k taken away from the economy. Right now though, if those 2k ecto were sold to the merchant, who pays 6.5k each, then now there is 13,000,000, minus the 400k, so 12,600,000 gold was just generated with the estimate of only 2k ecto at 200g, and I have seen one player in game who had 1750 ecto and claimed to have more, and he said he bought it all for 200-2k apiece. :/

Mr. Matt · Aug 12, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by ZenPali

I love all the complaining about the price update. Do you complain this much in the real world about the Military-Industrial elite raping you via taxes so they can buy ice statues pissing $100/bottle Vodka into a bowl at lavish parties on an exclusive island?

All while you sit in your dinky quaint houses, just trying to keep your electricity from being turned off.....

Yes, actually. You're just in the wrong forum to see that sort of thing.

Bizarro_Jesus · Aug 12, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

As a luker on these boards and being in GW for about a month, I'm seeing a very strange and unsettling occurance.

One half (made money) says this update rocks.

The other half (did not make mone) says this update sucks.

I do not have fissure armor. My War/Mo can't last 20 seconds in UW by himself, I have 30k in my storage, but I give away a lot to my guildies. I've had one shard drop in my entire play time. And I don't care. I have fun playing this game and to those of you with millions in cash, all the runes and fissure armor, I say, Kudos. (I'm not being sarcastic) If you find it fun to spend hours doing the same thing over and over, I'm glad you are doing what makes you feel good.

For those of you (like me) without those things, you don't really need them to have a good time and play the game. I may just be an arrogant blankhole, spouting my goody twoshoes rhetoric, but I play this game for fun. If I don't have super awesome weapons and fancylad armor, I'm okay with that. Personally? Drocknor's Platemail looks pretty damned cool, if you ask me. Just enjoy the game guys. It can be a lot of fun. I sometimes just take my warrior back to ascalon and Pikin to help out people who are new to the game.

Also? Life isn't fair. I personally find the game more engaging if it is also not fair.

Just have some fun.

A word on software development and fixes. I work in the IT industry, and frankly, based on what I'm seeing Anet has done a great, great job keeping regular patches, fixes and moderation coming for a non-fee game. They're doing the best they can and people who constantly bitch and gripe about "DEVS DON'T LISTEN" or "DEVS SCREWED UP" clearly have no concept of how massive a rollout like this game is. We're talking millions of players, who will/can find every exploit in the game. How can the development team (who's probably working on finishing Sorrow's and starting Chap 2, if you know anything about software development) be expected to find every bug and problem in the game. You wanna be pissed at someone? Be pissed at yourself for buying a game to bitch about. Enjoy what you can out of it and be thankful for it. I remember when Jedi Academy came out on PC and due to a coding problem, noone could play Multiplayer (which most bought it for). Now that's a serious problem. But the price of an item being too high? That's not a major issue.

Chin up kids, we're all here for fun. If you're not, go find something else that's fun to do.

Old Dood · Aug 12, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Bizarro_Jesus

Chin up kids, we're all here for fun. If you're not, go find something else that's fun to do.

Good post! As for Other things to do. They can clean up there rooms/mow the lawn/take out the garbage/etc. In other words: Build character!

I just had to say that being a Dad and all.....

Irongate · Aug 12, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Yep, all here for fun until it's needlessly ruined. Hope the one who had the great idea got fired.

noblepaladin · Aug 12, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by chuck7477

One other thing... some people talk about buying all these ecto eliminating a lot of gold in the economy? Well lets see... if 2k ecto were bought at 200 each, thats 400k taken away from the economy. Right now though, if those 2k ecto were sold to the merchant, who pays 6.5k each, then now there is 13,000,000, minus the 400k, so 12,600,000 gold was just generated with the estimate of only 2k ecto at 200g, and I have seen one player in game who had 1750 ecto and claimed to have more, and he said he bought it all for 200-2k apiece. :/

The moment it gets sold for 6.5k to the trader, it gets sold to another player (or bot) for 9k. So 2.5k has been eaten by the NPC in the transaction. Whenever anybody buys from the trader, money is drained from the economy. Whenever anybody sells to the trader, money is generated, but at a smaller amount, so as long as the trader isn't overflowed with stock, gold is being removed from the economy. So gold is being removed because people are still buying from the trader. In your situation, you didn't take into account that people will spend more than that 12.6 million gold buying up all the ecto again. 2k ecto sold at 9k gold each is 18mil, so 5.4 million gold would have been removed from the economy. However, the problem is that I don't think many people are selling their ecto to the NPC and they are just hording it and hoping to sell it to other players.

Algren Cole · Aug 12, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Bizarro_Jesus

As a luker on these boards and being in GW for about a month, I'm seeing a very strange and unsettling occurance.

One half (made money) says this update rocks.

The other half (did not make mone) says this update sucks.

I predict I made about a million plat off this update....It was the dumbest thing ArenaNet has done to date. Not everyone that made money sees this update as a good thing. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen a developer do.

Arcador · Aug 12, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Well isnt it a BIT TO EARLY for conclussions? Wait at least 7 days and see the price variables.

Sunman222 · Aug 12, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

I was having a lot of fun farming, grinding, getting ectos, buying ectos at 12k a piece. Getting to the Forge Master after 2 hours of FOW and crafting 2 pieces of my armor. Now I have no money left. Then ANET decides to drop them to 100g about 30 mins before I went to bed for 3 hours.

People have fun in their own ways, so don't try to define how people are supposed to have fun.

ANET isn't perfect, that's obvious. They are doing great things in PVE and we shall see all their hard work in the summer update. However they haven't fixed the problem with PVP, the grind to get skills, natures, smiting, etc. They implemented faction in an attempt to solve grinding, which failed miserably. As a result, a lot of top guilds quit and more people are quitting. I don't need to say anymore because we already had threads on that topic.

Resetting the prices was the dumbest move ever. You don't have to be an economist to know that resetting prices wouldn't help lower prices in the future. You just allowed people to exploit the traders. I know one thing that may have come out of this: people who loaded up on runes and ectos might stop botting cause their so freakin rich now.

PS: Hey Algren Cole, cut me a deal on some ectos lol.

Algren Cole · Aug 12, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Sunman222

I was having a lot of fun farming, grinding, getting ectos, buying ectos at 12k a piece. Getting to the Forge Master after 2 hours of FOW and crafting 2 pieces of my armor. Now I have no money left. Then ANET decides to drop them to 100g about 30 mins before I went to bed for 3 hours.

People have fun in their own ways, so don't try to define how people are supposed to have fun.

ANET isn't perfect, that's obvious. They are doing great things in PVE and we shall see all their hard work in the summer update. However they haven't fixed the problem with PVP, the grind to get skills, natures, smiting, etc. They implemented faction in an attempt to solve grinding, which failed miserably. As a result, a lot of top guilds quit and more people are quitting. I don't need to say anymore because we already had threads on that topic.

Resetting the prices was the dumbest move ever. You don't have to be an economist to know that resetting prices wouldn't help lower prices in the future. You just allowed people to exploit the traders. I know one thing that may have come out of this: people who loaded up on runes and ectos might stop botting cause their so freakin rich now.

PS: Hey Algren Cole, cut me a deal on some ectos lol.

I didn't buy any ectos

I don't foresee a profitable market for ectos. I made a guess that ecto would be capped in the future. I bought a little over 40 Superior Protection Runes though

Xenufa · Aug 12, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

I must say this is perhaps one of those silly things that happens in a fake world. I am not sure why ANET decided to reset all the prices as well as putting a cap on prices in some traders... wouldn't it have been easier to avg the prices of the items in the 3 markets and set the trader prices to that?

Isn't ANET being communist about this (by capping prices), just in a terribly poor way (due to spreading wealth to those lucky enough to be online and buying)?

One of the reason I enjoy MMORPGs is due to a simulated real world environment where I can interact and trade with other players, usually in a free market... This new market is hardly free now, as there are limited supplies, high demand, and capped prices.

I got my degree in economics, and must say that one of the first things you learn in 101 micro is that when the government (ANET) puts a cap on prices below the equilibrium, while there is a greater supply than demand of the item, it will create a larger demand than supply. People are more likely to hold onto their items, as money isn't worth as much. There is a glass ceiling that sellers cannot get above in terms of pricing.

I think it was a good idea for ANET to try to control the inflation in the virtual economy, however they went about doing it in the wrong way. Instead of controlling it, they have actually staggered it in the long term. One way to control inflation rates is through the interest rates, which granted might be hard to implement.

ANET's other objective seemed to be wanting to control the amount of money flowing into the system, as ANET (the government) cannot control the printing of money (gold drops). Therefore, they should create a tax system, to take gold from players trading items... So there is a fee to use the trade feature, and the tax can be scaled as to not penalize new characters... I am sure they can work out something based on level, overall wealth on account, so forth...

The problem with the traders now is that capped items will stay sold and only exchanged between players... Why pay 9k for globs, when human players will undersell for 8k? Also, items that don't appear on traders will no longer have a real market value to be judged on, as what player wants to sell a superior rune for 30 gold?

I don't think this update was necessary at all, all that was occuring was just inflation, and ANET could have had much better solutions... all they would've had to do was pay a college economist $20 and gotten a much more viable solution. I realize they also wanted to control international trade, however, what is the point of fixing international trade when it's semi realistic? It is hard to set up international trade for long term profit, it is time consuming, and requires resources and talent.

When a government (ANET) makes extremely facist / communist actions to an economy, it creates what I like to think of as a dictatorship. It starves the poor, and a few select people get into the inner circle and live the good life. Seems to me from reading these posts, thats what has happened.

Oh well, time to find a new MMORPG, crafted fissure armor and all that anywho...

BigTru · Aug 12, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

All I have to say is... I wish everyday were Christmas... and it's not

lishi · Aug 12, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40

DAMM Noooo !!! i buyed 2 15k set and im dyed now